184. Chris O’Brien

obrienAlejandro Rojas with the UFO News, and guest Chris O’Brien talks about the UFO field, what he thinks that UFOs may be, the private sector’s possible knowledge, San Luis Valley, cattle mutilations and more. Support the show to listen to hour two for as little as $2 per month or one yearly payment.

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5 thoughts on “184. Chris O’Brien

  • January 8, 2016 at 11:28 am

    Thanks for the show!

    Sometime in the future, someone needs to ask O’Brien where these ‘hyper-terrestrials’ (or whatever) hide their factories and facilities and what natural ressources they have access to?

    I suspect they will only get vague suggestions of an answer, because it’s frankly plain that it doesn’t make any sense, and O’Brien does not volunteer an explanation. I wouldn’t even call it speculative, because he doesn’t present any ‘speculations’ on how his ideas could possibly be real. Seems like he delves happily into pure Keelian fiction/mythomania, while coming across as extremely critical of anyone else, while seeing himself as ‘scientific’.

    So, I really wish someone would hold him accountable for his ideas, especially when he claims to be scientific (if only..), and puts his holier-than-though attitude into everything he says. It detracts the significance of content when obvious biases and holes in logic are not dealt with. And there are gaping holes in Mr. O’Brien’s reasoning.

  • January 9, 2016 at 7:39 am

    I agree. O’Brien isn’t exactly ‘anthropocentric’, as he accuses others of being, but he’s certainly ‘O’Brien-o-centric’ in that he so whimsically criticizes the ideas of others and appears to be a little depressed. He’s a good man, I’m sure, but I think he’s stagnating in his own stringent version of reality.

    • January 11, 2016 at 7:15 am

      Yea, he does sound a tad depressed, sorry if I’m contributing to that here, but I have one more thing on my chest:
      I am tired of and disturbed by this idea that the Earth is not a remarkable place. The Earth is a gem, a liveable world in a vast, vast ocean of nothingness and unliveable planets.

      If you dont’ understand how precious Earth is, and life in general, you are on your way to allow further exploitation and destruction of Earth’s habitats. Now, it seems to me that O’Brien is concerned with ecology. So, he should refrain from casting doubt about what is evident, the Earth is very, very dear.

      Second, humans would naturally be of extreme interest to any ‘aliens’, since we are the only technological species, and we have with intricate cultures. It seems to me like self-hatred to speak away the significance of the human too. Yes, it sounds very depressed, if not decidedly misanthropic.

  • January 10, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    Geordie and Webber , what are YOUR contributions to the field ?
    Did you even read Chris’s books ?

  • January 11, 2016 at 7:02 am

    Kanakaris: I add critical thinking and critique where relevant.

    I am not bothered by people’s speculative thinking, I think its fun. What bothers me is when you try to posit ideas as almost self-evident, while having nothing to back it up, and what is more important, no systematic idea of how your idea could possibly be true.
    It is completely unreasonable to claim that a technological civilization lives right under our noses, and we don’t see any signs of it. No factories, no ressource extracting machinery etc etc. Need I really spell this out?

    So, to me, the idea is a typical ufological idea of the less scientific type, namely an idea that is impossible to distinguish from (post-Christian) occult thinking. The reason there’s so much of it in America (imo) is because America still holds on to irrational spiritist/religious ideas which other parts of the world no longer entertains to the same degree. You may not realize this if you’ve been listening to Keelian yarns too much, but the guy was an occult writer with a clearly fictional approach. Why treat it as anything more? Because some people say they saw some bird from Indian mythology flying around in small town America? Really?

    I have not read O’Brien’s books but I have heard his sermons on the Paracast. Yet, I’ve never, ever heard him justify his ideas in that scientific manner which he claims to be all about. Also, why read his book on the cattle thing, if he refrains from drawing even a tentative conclusion that you can either agree with or be critical of? That is just so odd imo. Just like that 411 book, so many words and stories, yet no conclusion? That’s not how a scientist would do it, trust me. It’s how someone does it when they want to suggest something, but not be held accountable for it. Or if they want to rile up people to be scared of something ‘unknown’, so you can feed them more scare stuff down the road.

    Oh, and btw, about your ‘point’ about contribution: I have no doubt that O’Brien have contributed. And I’m not at all saying that O’Brien is a Meier character. But you could say that Billy Meier contributed to the UFO field, very much indeed. Is that a quality in itself?

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