27. David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.

Show Notes: Martin talks to retired Associate History Professor, David M. Jacobs, Ph.D. about his long quest for the truth in abductions worldwide. They further discuss the setbacks associated with such work and beliefs. David is currently putting together a manual to pass down his skills to future generations on how to do hypnosis with abductees.

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7 thoughts on “27. David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.

  • November 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I enjoyed the interview. Much of my research is based on David’s work. I look forward to being back on your show.

  • November 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    I have some problems with Jacobs’s reasoning in places, but this is still a very interesting interview. He does seem to have a partial theory, at least, as to what is going on. The nature of his theory does allow for some interesting ways of getting evidence. If these hybrids are really moving into apartments then a good way of finding evidence that this theory is correct would be to try to find these hybrids. I know that it may sound silly to say this, to some, but I mean this in all seriousness. Does anyone know somebody with a big head who claims that his or her big head is due to hydrocephaly, or some other medical condition? Could some of those people be hybrids?

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  • November 25, 2012 at 2:05 am


    Well said. I agree, evidence that this is really happening could be established by just one little hybrid moving Ikea furniture in an apartment, throw a flour sack over his or her large head and abduct them to the nearest lab for DNA test results. 🙂

    If the abductees are helping them and know who they are, why aren’t they whistle blowing? Is there some type of loyalty thing going on?


  • November 25, 2012 at 5:53 am

    That’s a good question. If I had to guess, and it would only be a guess, it is probably a combination of factors. Loyalty may be one factor. Another factor might be the fact that they do not think that very many would believe them, and that whistleblowers would be punished, either by the aliens, or by further ridicule, or by lawsuits filed by the hybrids for harassment, etc. The judges would probably fail to believe that they are actual hybrids, and, instead, believe that they are humans with medical problems. It would be difficult to get a judge to go along with forcing someone to take a DNA test because there is suspicion that they are a human-alien hybrid.

    There is that girl that claims to have only 37% human DNA, or something like that. Few take her seriously, and she does not have a big head. I do not know if she has ever been tested, but I would not be surprised if she has not because very few believe her. It is going on 14 years and The Starchild Skull has still not been fully tested with respect to DNA.

    I also thought of one possible reason why the aliens might be doing this, assuming that Jacobs is right. It might be that they are trying to pull off something like in that Star Trek: Voyager episode called Displaced. Warning, if you have not seen the episode and do not like spoilers, then do not click on the link. There are spoilers. Otherwise, click on the link:


    I don’t know this, of course, nor do I know if Jacobs is even right, but it is fun, and sometimes helpful, to speculate. I think that there should be an effort to try to find these hybrids.

  • November 29, 2012 at 5:31 am


    This was a terrific interview with David. I spent hours with him at the Ozark UFO Conference this past spring and he is so affable and open about his work and how it has evolved over the past twenty years.

    A valid hypothesis about the “why they are here and what are they doing” questions, if I read David right, might be that we are a frog being slowly boiled. That this might be a gradual phenomena, a slo-mo strategic programmed evolution, large and geographically wide. That’s a valid line of inquiry.

    I found it very poignant that David wishes to pass his torch and make sure the field is responsibly populated by researchers of high integrity moving forward. I knew Budd Hopkins as well. Both men, in my judgement, care deeply for their subjects and are open about the yawning ambiguities they face. And they are courageous to try and wrestle these matters to the ground with a logic, focus and patience the general population can’t seem to muster.

    Great show, Martin, thank you !

    I am the Executive Producer and Creator of Milgram And The Fastwalkers, a noir soap opera about alien abduction.


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