Show 375 Notes: Erling Strand & Seth Shostak

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ERLING P. STRAND: received a M.SC.EE. degree in 1981 at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology. Since 1988 he has been a lecturer and is an Asst. Professor at the School of Computer Sciences, Østfold University College, in Norway. He is also one of the founders of Project Hessdalen and, since 1993, the project manager. The main goal of the Project is to learn more about the mysterious lights in the Hessdalen valley in Norway.

His work with UAP (Unknown Atmospheric Phenomena) in Hessdalen started in 1983, when Project Hessdalen was founded. He had the responsibility of the scientific and technical part of the two field studies, which were run in 1984 and 1985. He is the author of the report from the first field project in 1984: Project Hessdalen 1984 Ð Final Technical Report. In 1988 a fully automatic measurement station was put in operation in the Hessdalen valley. Since 2002 Science Camps have been held there, where young students spend one week in the valley, searching for UAP, equipped with a range of instruments.

He has presented the results and work of Project Hessdalen in numerous TV and radio programs worldwide, and he has also lectured widely about the project and its findings. Project Hessdalen website:

SETH SHOSTAK: claims to have developed an interest in extraterrestrial life at the tender age of ten, when he first picked up a book about the Solar System. This innocent beginning eventually led to a degree in radio astronomy, and now, as Senior Astronomer, Seth is an enthusiastic participant in the Institute’s SETI observing programs.

In addition, Seth is keen on outreach activities: interesting the public – and especially young people – in science in general, and astrobiology in particular. He’s co-authored a college textbook on astrobiology, and has written three trade books on SETI. In addition, he’s published more than 400 popular articles on science including regular contributions to NBC News MACH, gives many dozens of talks annually, and is the host of the SETI Institute’s weekly science radio show, “Big Picture Science.”

One thought on “Show 375 Notes: Erling Strand & Seth Shostak

  • October 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    Seth attempts to make statements that insinuate his points but much of what he says is not backed by logic or facts. I’ve given examples below of some of the things he stated regarding the Nimitz event, which he clearly has not studied.

    Seth: “They stopped the [AATIP] program because there wasn’t anything very interesting.”

    Reply: An undocumented insinuation. The government stopped the financing of a NASA initiative to search for extraterrestrial radio emissions in 1993. So by Mr. Shostak’s logic, there must not be anything of value to looking for radio signals. Perhaps SETI should shut down. Very poor reasoning on Seth’s part.

    S: “If the best they could come up with is those videos…”

    Reply: Does Seth really think those videos are the only thing captured by a U.S. Carrier Strike Group; one of the most powerful military forces on the planet? Those videos are all that was released. There was a large amount of radar data taken by our ships. Raw radar data of these objects. There is much more that was obtained than the videos. Another insinuation without logic or facts to back it up.

    S: (In response to 28,000′ of movement in .78″ on radar.) “You can get a reflection from a radar beam.” (He is asserting it was a false radar return.)

    Reply: The objects were detected on radar for several days and by a US Carrier Strike Group which has multiple radar systems operating at multiple radar frequencies, located across miles of ocean, and all coordinated via software. Does Seth still want to claim that was a bounced radar beam that all those systems detected? Additionally, the radar didn’t see just a single return. The object remained on radar. ON MULTIPLE RADARS.

    S: “The aliens only make themselves known to our military. And only to our military.”

    Reply: Two totally false statements, which indicate Seth has not studied the UFO phenomenon. Where is Seth’s evidence to prove either one of those statements? It is not even necessary to answer his implied question. He is making the statement. It is up to him to prove such a preposterous statement. I would turn the question back on him. “Really Seth, aliens only make themselves known to our military? Where did you read that? Can you provide some piece of evidence to support the assertion you are making?”

    S: “The pilot said he could see this stuff everyday. Why isn’t anyone else seeing it?”

    Reply: Obviously the pilot was exaggerating and was stating that they see it often. But they are seeing it with sophisticated equipment such as radar. To ask why no one else is seeing it is an unproven assumption in an attempt to snidely indicate that the Navy pilots don’t know what they’re talking about. 90% of people do not report UFO sightings. Additionally, there would have been no civilian pilots in the area to see anything because they are not allowed to fly into military operating areas.

    S: “What’s your best piece of evidence to put in the Smithsonian.”
    There are multiple very good cases throughout history. The Nimitz case, RB47, Stephenville, Belgium triangle sightings, etc. The point is that there is sufficient information to justify a scientific investigation into the phenomenon. It’s the same thing with SETI. There is NO evidence that he can put in the Smithsonian that proves ET exists out there. He has ZERO captured radio signals from ET. But Seth believes is sufficient logical reasoning to say that we should look. The same thing applies to UFOs. One must ask, “Why is Seth so against the study of the UFO phenomenon?”

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