Show Notes, 44. Ben Hansen

UFO News Round-Up with Michael Lauck

A Couple of UK Sightings

First of all this week we bring you an update on the recent video taken in County Cork of an alleged UFO. Supposedly taken late last year and released last month, the silent clip has gotten quite a bit of attention. Latest reports, including one from Whitley Strieber, are branding the footage as a hoax. You can read more about the video through the link below.

Meanwhile the Shropshire Star has a picture take by a local girl apparently showing a mysterious object in the sky and they are asking for help identifying it. Local reader comments suggest that it may be a shopping bag caught in the wind but at least one reader adds their own UFO sighting. Check out the photo yourself through the link below.

Area 51 UFO on Google Earth

Admittedly, this is basically too good to be true, but Scott C. Waring at has released screen caps of Google Earth images that seem to show a floating circular object near the infamous Area 51. The white, featureless circle appears to cast a shadow under it as if it is a levitating object. The article, which is linked below which includes coordinates so you can check Google Earth yourself for the apparent UFO.

Mars One is Accepting Applications for a One Way Trip To Mars

Any listeners looking to relocate may want to Mars with the Mars One  project. They are currently seeking applicants to populate a Mars colony, no experience necessary… the catch is that it is a one way trip.

Greer Alien Body Update

Finally, Dr. Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project have released more information on the Atacama Humanoid. The tiny dried body is only six inches tall, or about the length of a dollar bill, and according to Greer has human DNA. We have a link below to his latest release of findings. The news comes on the heels of the official release of Sirius, the long awaited documentary from the Disclosure Project. Martin, you and I have seen the film; any thoughts?

Dr. Steven Greer’s Baby Alien Promo

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Ben Hansen Interview Transcript

Martin Willis: Hi you doing, Ben?!bio/ch6q


Ben Hansen: Good. How are you doing, Martin?


Martin: Good. Thanks, so much, for joining us, and I love the show that you do, Fact Or Faked, and I want to talk, a little bit, about that, but, first of all, I know that you have a family connection with possible UFO ties, but how did you get interested in the subject of the paranormal and UFOs? And you have quite a background, too, FBI, and all that. Let’s talk about all that.


Ben: Okay. Yeah, my first interest probably – I trace it back to movies, actually. The first movie I remember ever seeing in a theater was E. T. My parents took me, and I remember, kind of, putting myself in the situation of Elliott, and thinking: if I had encountered extraterrestrial life what would I do? Would I want to be the person, you know, that protected, or – him, or wanted to go up in the ship, or whatever? And I started clipping out newspaper clippings of UFO sightings, and I had this file. It was something that both interested me and scared me, a bit. You know, my father brought me books that were beyond my reading level, but when my friends would come over I hid the books, because I didn’t want them to know that I was into UFOs. From there what happened was my father and I had planned some trips, you know, Area 51.


Martin: Really.


Ben: The news had broken, you know, when I was in, I don’t know, junior high, or so, and we were going to go there. That never happened, but I was still kind of, you know, I was very interested up through high school and college, and it was mostly UFOs. It wasn’t until we, finally, you know, I was in college, and started, you know, doing a little bit of the ghost hunting that I really got interested into the other stuff.


Martin: What, exactly, did you do for The FBI?


Ben: Well, I was an agent for The FBI. My specialty, before going in, was – I worked for several years, also, at the state level doing child sex crimes investigations, so, you know, at The FBI they run you through a lot of different squads, you know, so I was doing national security, I was doing, you know, criminal white collar stuff, a bit of everything. A lot of people ask: well, were you doing, you know, X–Files–type things?


Martin: Ah, yes. I could see that. I could see why.


Ben: I suppose if I were that would be something I couldn’t talk about.


Martin: Ah–ha! So, can you talk, a little bit, about your grandfather?


Ben: Sure. My grandfather – he served, you know, in World War 2, he was with Marines, and, then, when he was discharged he went into The Air Force as a civil engineer, so he was based at Hill Air Force Base in Ogden, Utah, but one day he came home, in 1965, and told my father, you know: look, you’re – I think he was 15 at the time, and he said: you’re going to be the man of the house, because I’m part of a special team that, now, I could be called at a moment’s notice to go somewhere, and I can’t tell you, all the time, where I’m going, or how long I’ll be, and my father said: well, do you mean something like an emergency like a nuclear threat? And he paused, and he said: well, something like that, so the first time it happened was in ’65, and what we’ve been able to do is, kind of, trace – now, it’s pure speculation, but we’ve been able to, kind of, put together some of the dates where he was gone, and one of those, in ’65, coincided with The Kecksburg Crash


Martin: Really. Wow!


Ben: – in Pennsylvania, so, the very next day, when this thing is, supposedly being transported to Wright–Patterson, grandpa flies out an emergency assignment, and his job was to take the work space, where they worked on projects, and the computer systems, and management, and maintaining underground hangar systems, so, you know, why they’d have to bring someone in from out of state to do these things, again, we’re speculating, but I feel that he was pretty close to some of the things, there.


Martin: Wow! Now, that particular case, I believe there is some theory that it’s a possible time travel from the Nazi era. Did you ever hear anything about that? I mean, that’s one of the – it could be The Bell from the bell–shaped –


Ben: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. The witnesses describe it as being acorn–shaped, and similar to The Nazi Bell, so you know, they – I think they do know that they’ve got witnesses saying that it did make it to Wright–Patterson, and came in through the back gate, so – which would make sense with the R and D development, and, you know, back engineering that takes place, there, at Wright–Patterson.


Martin: Now, did your grandfather ever, actually, share any experiences, or did he keep his oath all the way to the end?


Ben: Well, the way it worked was this: my father, also, was very interested, like I was, in the subject, and so my father would go over there, to the house, and sometimes they would eat lunch and watch TV, so this is when, like, Unsolved Mysteries was on, and some of those, you know, UFO specials, and every now and then, you know, my father would ask him: is this true? Do you know anything about this? And grandpa, generally, would just, kind of, laugh, or say: hmmm, but he, kind of, worked it out to where if he just, kind of, sat there, and he said: this – that’s interesting it, kind of, let my dad know he’s on the right track, because if something else came up, and he said: oh, no, that’s absurd, you know, he would deny that this was right, this was wrong. Well, he got pancreatic cancer, and, finally, it spread to his brain in the, you know, final stages of his life, and there were conversations, throughout, where, you know, at times – I remember when they went to a gymnasium. My father, actually, confronted him, directly on. He says: I really need to know. Are we alone? Is – were you involved in any of this? And he got up, and he said: I think it’s time we leave, and this is where he started really, kind of, shutting down, but when he was in the hospital, this was, literally, moments before he died, he turned over to my father, and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes, and he said: we’re not alone –


Martin: Wow!


Ben: – and he knew that it was within the context of what he’d been asking him, so –


Martin: Wow!


Ben: – so, no, he did not, you know, share any details, but he, kind of, along the way, confirmed this or that, and I do think whatever team he was part of, you know, whether it was a response to, you know, new crashes, or things they brought in, whatever it was he was privy to, you know, some info.


Martin: That’s some really powerful stuff, there. That’s amazing. I want to talk about this show, Fact Or Faked. I’ve watched a number of episodes. The first thing I think of is: that must be the best job in the world to be on that show. Are you enjoying it?


Ben: I am. It really is great. You know, I get to go places, like Iceland, or –


Martin: No kidding? I would –


Ben: – places I never would have gone to, you know.


Martin: I mean, that part alone, when you guys – well, going to Australia, or whatever. I – man, wouldn’t that be nice. That is so great. Now, a couple of questions that come to mind when I think about the show: have you ever had any backlash from, say, you figured out something was a hoax? One comes to mind of the gentleman that had a whole bunch of followers that claims he had this alien that he conked out, I guess, and brought home, and put in the freezer. You, kind of, dispelled that whole thing as a hoax, and did people like him, like, come at you, either on the internet, or anything like that after that show aired?


Ben: Oh, for sure. For sure. You know, I thought, you know, if I had more time with him, if it wasn’t just a, you know, a forty – I – that was actually a 45–minute interview I did with him, and The Jonathan Reed Case – he was very cordial with us. He actually, you know, gave me a signed book when we left, and – but, in all reality, I think he really played ball with us because it resurrected his story, and, you know, it was on its way out, and just by doing the show we drew attention to it, you know, so his followers – he’s got, kind of, a main group of 2 or 3 people who he travels with, and, either at his direction, or by themselves they started posting these really hokey videos. They’re probably up there, and you can look at them, and they’re just, kind of, mocking us, and –


Martin: Oh, wow!


Ben: – and very strange, and then, on Facebook, you know, there’s a series of long, you know, diatribes against us, and, you know, I get it. It was his livelihood. You know, he made a lot of money from this, and so, if you’ve got all the time in the world to try to milk it some more, you’re going to do that.


Martin: Now, have you ever had things happen the other way where you thought something was, totally, a myth, and then you really questioned the whole situation?


Ben: Well, and I’ve had cases that, you know, from the onset you’re, kind of, thinking this has got to be – there’s no way, this is just too good to be true, and you get there, and you’re really – for example, we had the Florida case with David Eckhart, and this is where this man had put up cameras in his bedroom, because they were having these bright lights in the middle of the night, and there’s a, what looks like, a creature, humanoid that peeks around the corner of his bathroom, and then they’ve got some things, kind of, floating in the air, and I thought: okay, for sure this has got to be someone dressed up, or a mannequin, and we showed how that could have been true. You could, pretty easily, fake it. However, I didn’t get that vibe, really, at all from talking to this couple. I’m – I think I’m pretty good at, you know, detecting when someone’s outright lying to me, and I just don’t think, like, they’re the type, and it just didn’t really fit, so, you know, something strange might be going on, there.


Martin: Yeah. I saw the show in Portland, Oregon, where a couple was walking along, and they filmed what looked like a UFO, or some type of light, that, sort of, maybe, even landed in the water –


Ben: Uh–huh.


Martin: – and then you shot out Frisbees. You tried to replicate it, and, basically, what it boiled down to is they were being hoaxed, so, a lot of times, a situation where someone will get caught up in a hoax, and they’re not even aware of it, and those people are, you know, legit people, but who get caught up in a hoax.


Ben: Yeah, those are the tricky ones, you know, because you don’t get a deception response –


Martin: Right.


Ben: – from witnesses when they’re not the ones who hoaxed it, you know, and that happens a lot. We’re seeing a lot of these Chinese lanterns –


Martin: Yes.


Ben: – a lot of people filling up garbage bags with helium, and putting flares on the bottom, and a lot of people who have not seen a flare suspended, or, you know, a Chinese lantern. It flickers, it can go on and off, and people who haven’t seen that will go out there, and they start recording, and these things make the news all the time.


Martin: Right.


Ben: Yeah, so it’s, kind of, frustrating, because you – if you only have the witness to talk to, they could seem very truthful, and then you’re really not anywhere further.


Martin: Yeah. Do you have to go through a lot of videos and images, or whatever, to pick out what the top contenders are going to be? And it appears, in the show, that you each do a separate project, and then you present them at your little meeting, there. Is that a real time–consuming thing?


Ben: Yeah. It, originally, when we first – before we filmed the show, and we were presenting it as a concept, it was mostly Bill and I who were finding these videos, and we must have seen every, you know, ghost video, every UFO video on Youtube, at the time, and once it, you know – we started actually filming, and we were out in the field, they hired about 5 or 6 different full–time clip researchers to screen these –


Martin: I see.


Ben: – so, throughout the week, they contact us, we find some, on our own, some are given to us, you know, through email, and Facebook, and so we go back and forth, and, when we get to the situation room, sometimes it’s the very first time we’ve heard of it, because the other person’s been working on it, and other times we’ve talked about it a little bit, you know, so, yeah, it’s always a constant process.


Martin: What would you consider the most profound case, so far, that comes to mind?


Ben: Well, you know, concerning UFOs I – what I really like to do is I love the historic cases. I think, for however little it was, I feel that we did add some value to the knowledge base with The Battle Over Los Angeles.


Martin: Yes.


Ben: You know, I – it was, kind of, debated back and forth whether, you know, this whole weather balloon theory, I think, is very improbable –


Martin: Yes.


Ben: – and, you know, we showed how quickly, when a balloon is hit, how quickly it drops, and that was something that I’d, kind of, wondered about, so I think that one is still in the unsolved category, and I don’t agree with that theory, and then we also have The Heflin Case, which, you know, in all honesty, I wish we could have added more knowledge to that, but I think that’s a toss–up, you know, in 1965, and I also like – we have had some brand–new ones that we broke ground with, and I’m not sure that I would even categorize it as a UFO case, at the moment, but we had a woman who seems to disappear from her bed in England. The bed sheets, literally, kind of, dissolve into the mattress, and then she reappears 13 minutes later, and, for whatever it is, I do believe the story of the couple, and I don’t believe they hoaxed it, so we’re either looking at an optical illusion, or something very, very strange.


Martin: Wow! The more you dive into these things the more you find out how many strange things there really are, out there, and how would you say that your FBI background helps with this show in investigating?


Ben: More than anything it’s been my training in interviewing, I believe.


Martin: Oh, wow!


Ben: I was, you know, before going to work for them I’d work for the state, and, you know, combined, I’ve interviewed thousands of victims, and perpetrators, and I think I get a good sense of, psychologically, when someone wants to tell you more, or when they’re hiding more from you, and, you know, so the interviewing anyone who’s part of a investigative group it is so key, it’s so important –


Martin: Sure.


Ben: – you know, because this – UFO cases where, basically, they’re historic cases. We’re getting there after the fact, unless you’re going to a hotspot where you’re, you know, actively seeing things, all you have – if you’re lucky you have some video or photo, but most of the time you’re – you’ve just got descriptions from people, and so it’s our job to extract that information, and, you know, having good skills as an interview is very important.


Martin: That’s right. I’ve talked with Dr. Bruce Maccabee, who does research on UFO photos, and, you know, he, basically, says the same thing that, you know, you have the video or photo evidence, but that’s only a small part of it. The witness is number 1, you know, what you can extrapolate from – to back it up, basically.


Ben: Right, and I lecture on that topic, specifically, that with all the, you know – our show focuses on video and photo, but it is only part of the story, and, being that it’s imperfect technology, I don’t think, can ever completely replicate, or simulate, what it’s like to be there, and, so, you’re missing a lot of information, and, also, it’s not – we’ve seen so many images if you’re trying to convince somebody that UFOs exist, or that the phenomenon is real, I don’t think that videos and photo are, ultimately, going to do it. We’ve seen so many images that we’re so used to it that it’s not as impressive it – as it used to be.


Martin: I have to agree with you, on that. You know, I had my own sighting, which is, really, the reason why I started this podcast, and if I hadn’t had that sighting, you know, I would have just gone along my merry way, and just thought: well, these are interesting, and all that, but I would have never really taken it as serious as I do, now.


Ben: Right, and sometimes it does take that personal, you know, witness or sighting that – for some people, and, for me, it – I was was already a believer that it was very possible, and, you know, after I had a few sightings, myself, it, sort of, throws your world around for a couple days, but after that you’re like: well, I already would, you know – kind of, believed it, so it – I don’t know if it’s a paradigm shift.


Martin: Yeah. I’ve said, before, I was on the fence, totally on the fence. I was never a total skeptic, ’cause I always had an open mind about all that, but, still, yeah, there’s nothing like seeing it – a little dose of reality to really get you involved in it. On the other paranormal things, besides UFOs, what would you say was the most profound case that you’ve done a show on?


Ben: Probably these – the ghost hunting investigations, where I, as a child, never believed in ghosts. I was taught that they don’t exist. You know, an afterlife, yes, but spirits that just hang around, and haunt places, I did not believe it, and so in college, when I got a little bit of evidence of that, you know, doing these EVP sessions, the recordings where, you know, I have voices that appear, later I even went beyond that it – within the show I’ve seen objects moving by themselves, you know, and it’s happened within the show, I believe, 3 times, 3 different locations where, either it was just out of my view, or I actually saw the objects moving by themselves, and it’s quite amazing, you know, and if you didn’t have other people there, with you, you might think you’re crazy, but it happens.


Martin: This is all really interesting, and I know that there’s a lot of controversy, I’m sure you’ve been following it, on Bigfoot, you know, with the new DNA test, and stuff like that, and you’ve done a couple of shows on that, haven’t you?


Ben: We have, we have.


Martin: And one of them was, basically, proven that it was – or I think you did 2 shows, that I’ve seen, and one, I believe, you figured out had to be someone in a suit.


Ben: I think, with Bigfoot cases, what’s most interesting is that there is something to it. I believe that I’ve talked to quite a few people, with very compelling stories, that lead me to believe there is something to the phenomenon. Whether it’s an actual, living, breathing creature, or something interdimensional, I’m not sure. However, I’ve done some research with videos. If you look at any Bigfoot video, online, I – what we’ve, statistically, so far, have shown is that you are about 2 and a half times more likely to have Bigfoot walking from camera left to camera right as opposed to the other way, so, you know, the implication is: well, either Bigfoot walks around in clockwise circles around people, or there’s something, maybe, psychological that, you know, entices people to hoax the videos this way, and I thought: well, is it that The Patterson–Gimlin film, you know, that everyone has in their mind –


Martin: Right.


Ben: – is it that we read left to right in Western cultures? Is it right–handed people? And I haven’t been able to, really, you know, hone in on why, but the fact is most videos are hoaxed, by far, with Bigfoot, and I do believe that there has not been, for me, a compelling enough video that you wouldn’t be able to say, simply: oh, that could be a guy in a monkey suit. Now, that doesn’t mean it is. It really does not. I just think it’s different than UFO videos, because, with the UFOs, you – if you can establish that it’s not CGI then –


Martin: Yeah.


Ben: – you have to, also, try to explain away why this object is moving in such erratic and amazing, you know, manner.


Martin: If you were to say to the average person that wants to go, say, skywatching, or, possibly, in a hotspot area, to film UFOs, what would you give them for advice?


Ben: Well, you know, there are a number of place around the country. There are some that have a – kind of, commercialized this, too. You know, you can go to certain ranches, or things, and, you know, pay money, and I, honestly, have not been to any of these where you have to pay and go, but if it turns out that they’re great hotspots – sure. Why not? But they are – just about every state has some location where, regularly, these things are showing up, so I would go to one of these places, and you can take just a general, you know, regular video camera. A lot of stuff is captured that way. If you have the money, though, I would suggest people, you know, look into night vision, at least, into a good infrared surveillance camera, something that has a Lux, you know, enhancement, and you know, we – I had – was so interested, and I went to Bushnell, their line of night vision equipment called Night Optics, and we invited them to one of our skywatches, so they brought out all of this third–generation, night vision, military, you know, spec –


Martin: Wow!


Ben: – scopes, and I said: I need one of these, so I, you know, emptied the piggy bank, and I bought one, you know, and, after a while, they asked me to be a spokesperson, so I sell, you know, the scopes to both people who do, you know, it’s great for ghost hunting, because you can connect it to a camera, but, also, it really lightens up the sky, and you can see a lot of these satellite–type objects that we’re seeing a lot of, so, like, a satellite will blink out, and then reappear. It looks like a satellite, but then it starts doing these really erratic things, and, if you’re not looking up in the sky, the common person probably would not even see these things, you know, but night vision really helps enhance it, and you can record them, and so that’s, kind of, what we’re studying, right now.


Martin: I know that a lot of things are picked up on the infrared. Now, this particular Bushnell lens you’re talking about, does that have, like, the greenish color?


Ben: Yeah. We – I sell – now, Bill, on our show, used to sell, and the guy stopped making them, but he used to sell cameras that would look into the ultraviolet, and the infrared range, and those are really cool, because they also enhanced light you could use for skywatching, but they were quite inexpensive. These guys, that we sell, you know, they’re anywhere from about 2,200 to, you know, 3,500 dollars, but it’s well worth it, because they do have that, kind of, greenish hue, and they amplify light by 40,000 times –


Martin: Wow!


Ben: – so you can put all the adapters, the magnifiers on, if you want, you can adapt it to your video camera, your DSLR, or whatever, so we’re looking at that spectrum, and we’re also looking at thermal imaging, and I have captured, at least, in one case, a triangular–shaped object that I could not see with my eyes –


Martin: Wow!


Ben: – but it showed up on the thermal imagining –


Martin: Is that right?


Ben: – so –


Martin: Wow! Now, was that overhead?


Ben: No, it wasn’t right overhead. It was, probably, about, I would say, no more than a quarter of a mile distant coming over a mountain ridge.


Martin: Isn’t that something? Do you think that there’s going to be some type of disclosure? Have you ever contemplated that?


Ben: The issue of disclosure is, yeah, it’s a tricky one. I really don’t know, you know, how it will come about. I think, ultimately, yes. Yes we will be aware of these things, but the problem is we have – we, kind of, do this to ourselves. I think everyone expects, because technology is so great, that we expect that, one day, we’re just going to be told, and, maybe, have a video of, I don’t know, an alien at The White House, you know, even meeting with The President, but I’ve always said: even if you did that, and you filmed the whole thing, all day, and put it on the 10 o’clock news, how many people are still not going to believe?


Martin: That’s correct.


Ben: You know, we – we’re going to think it’s a political stunt, it’s a way to control us with fear, it’s this or that. I don’t think that belief is, necessarily, just seeing or hearing something, especially through technology, so it will take a lot more of these, I think, overhead displays of, you know, amazing things, like The Phoenix Lights


Martin: Right.


Ben: – you know, before people just acknowledge it as a reality, and then we’ve got to get over that gap of: okay, so it’s here. Do we need to fear it? What do we need to do about it?


Martin: Do we need to figure out what it is?


Ben: Exactly, or do we just, kind of, put our heads in the sand, and think: okay, well, so far it has not impacted my daily life, and I think that’s where the change is. If you have a war in another part of the world, unless you have a brother, a sister, a family member, or friend in that war, it does not affect your daily life. You still have to go to work, the next day –


Martin: That’s right.


Ben: you know, so I think, unless the UFO subject, daily, affects us, like it’s shutting down airports, like in China, you know, and they don’t fly because of it, until it starts doing that I don’t think a lot of the people will, really, feel the impact, or care.


Martin: Really well put. All right, well, thanks so much, Ben. It’s been, absolutely, a pleasure.


Ben: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on, Martin.


Martin: You bet.


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