Show Notes, Episode 34.

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UFO News


Hello, this is Michael Lauck and in this week’s news we’ll look at the alleged  x-ray of an alien baby, Google Street View UFOs, say good bye to a UFO pioneer and more. Plus, Martin and I will discuss a strange document that you can download directly from the National Security Agency website.


Dr. Stephen Greer Claims To Have Alien Body


According to and YouTube reports, Dr. Stephen Greer and The Disclosure Project are claiming that a tiny body found in South American is that of an alien. Greer claims that CT scans and x-rays have shown the small body to be some type of organism with organs inside. Photographs of the body are included in the article and a video including the x-ray can be found on YouTube through the link in the show notes.

George Fawcett Dies


George Fawcett, the founder of the North Carolina chapter of MUFON, has passed away at the age of 83. In addition to amassing a large collection of “Sauceriana” that is on display at the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, Fawcett wrote a book on UFOs in the southeast and over 100 articles. He was also one of the few people to teach a college course on UFOs. You can read more about Fawcett’s career on the homepage of the North Carolina chapter of MUFON.


Street View UFO?


In a KPLR TV report that was picked up by the UK’s The Daily Mail, a pink UFO can be found on a Google Street View image for a street in St. Charles County, outside of St. Louis, MO. The image, identified as a lens flare by the director of the McDonnel Planetarium of the St. Louis Science Center John Lakey. Although the image very well may be a lens flare, the director stated that the least likely explanation for a UFO is alien spacecraft because “the distance between stars is just too vast for any kind of realistic travel. Darn. Ha ha.”


Amherst UFO Still a Mystery


The UPI has an interesting report on a January 8th UFO sighting near Amherst, Massachusetts. Its headline, “UFO May Have Been Military Plane” obviously suggests that the sighting was a military plane and the article states that the FAA found only a C5 cargo plane on radar during the time of the sighitng. The end of the article, however, mentions that Lt. Col. James Bishop, the chief of public affairs at nearby Westover Air Reserve Base, said that the C5 does not match the description of the silent, low flying triangle or diamond shaped object reported by witnesses.


UFO Hypothesis and Security Questions


Finally this week Martin, one of the stranger documents I have run across while researching articles for the website is a National Security Agency, or NSA, document titled The UFO Hypothesis and Security Questions. Dated 1968, it is a short examination of UFOs and the implications for the human race. No author or attribution is given and it is listed as a draft but I do trust that is some type of declassified NSA document because the PDF has SECRET crossed out on the top and because I downloaded that PDF directly from the NSA website. It is one of 61 documents pulled up on the site when one enters UFO into their search engine.


One of the footnotes cites a June, 1968 document so we can reasonably assume that it was written in the second half of that year. It is an interesting little paper, particularly near the end when as it criticizes the “leisurely” scientific approach being taken in regards to UFOs and concludes: QUOTE It would seem a little more of this survival attitude is called for when dealing with the UFO problem. END QUOTE. I find it intriguing that this NSA document uses the term “UFO problem,” and also that within 12 to 18 months of this document being authored, Project Blue Book was cancelled. Was this ignored. just a coincidence or was the end of Blue Book the end of the leisurely approach to the UFO problem? Martin, have you had a chance to look this over?

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Martin Willis: I’m on the line with Terry Hansen in British Columbia. How you doing, Terry?


Terry Hansen: Good. How are you, Martin?


Martin: Good, and we’re going to talk about your book, but I’m fascinated in the subject that your book addresses. Can you tell the audience the name of your book?


Terry: Yes. It’s called The Missing Times: News Media Complicity In The UFO Cover–up.


Martin: Tell us what it is about, in a nutshell, if you would.


Terry: Sure. You know, many people have speculated, over the years, about the way some fairly major UFO stories never seem to make it into the national media. They occur on a local level, and there’s a lot of publicity. People are aware of it on the regional, or local, level, but, somehow, the big newspapers just don’t seem to be interested in the story, so this question has been raised by various UFO researchers as to whether the news media are, somehow, playing games, or playing ball with the government to suppress coverage of the UFO topic, and so, that’s, really, what I decided to look into, and I started out by researching the relationship between the news media and the US Government going back about 100 years to try to understand whether, and to what extent, the news media, the big news organizations, have worked with the government to manage public opinion. Now, the most common situation where that occurs is, of course, wartime. We’re all familiar with the fact that, during wars, such as World War 1 and 2, there’s quite a bit of censorship, and propaganda, but not many people know very much about it and how it worked and all that, so I spent a couple chapters, in my book, just reviewing the history of censorship and propaganda in the news media, historically, in, sort of, a general sense, and how it’s worked, and I demonstrate, I think, that this idea that the news media try to project that they’re independent and, sort of, adversarial with the government is really a myth, that, historically, the story is that the media and the government have been working together, very closely, for many, many decades, certainly since World War 1, and the relationship has actually gotten a lot closer over time.


Martin: Now, when you go a little further along you get into radio and TV, and that’s really small, at first, but that really expands into, basically, what we have, today. Did you follow that all the way up and see the different changes when it came to those media?


Terry: Oh, yes, absolutely. The – I think, prior to World War 1, you could say, although there was some attempt by the government to control the news media during various wars, even The Civil War, the methods were fairly primitive, at that time, as was the media, and they may have controlled, say, telegraph cables, and things like that, but they were relatively unsophisticated in the use of censorship and propaganda, but, with the coming of World War 1, The British really taught The Americans quite a lot about how to censor the news, and how to use propaganda to further their objectives, so World War 1 was a, really, kind of a breaking point, and brought the media and the government into a, kind of, routine working relationship. Now, you know, coming up to World War 2, things actually began to become a lot more sophisticated. There were a lot more media channels to worry about, for one thing. You know, there were broadcast. Radio broadcasting was common, at that time, so it took, actually, 2 large organizations, during World War 2, one to censor the news, and the other to create and disseminate propaganda, so, by World War 2, it was quite a big operation that had involved, pretty much, everyone in the the news media, to some extent, working for the government to try to keep the news media under control, and giving the kind of message that the government wanted people to receive. It didn’t, really, end after World War 2, though, because, of course, we entered The Cold War Era, and The CIA was created in 1947 with the passage of The National Security Act, and The CIA, pretty much, took over the operation, the propaganda operations, from the organizations that had run them during World War 2, so The CIA, then, developed a broad network of relationships with all levels of media, from freelancers all the way up to Chief Executive Officers of the major media corporations, like CBS and The New York Times, and so on. Now, a lot of this was brought out – it was publicized in the mid–1970s. There was something called The Church Committee, popularly known as The Church Committee, that began to examine the relationships between The CIA and the media, so it, kind of, became a big story, there, in about 1976, and, course, everyone, somewhat, sort of, in the media, sort of, embarrassing – were rather embarrassed by all this, and they tried to pretend that they would stop doing this, but I don’t think that’s really happened. I think The CIA didn’t go away, and they’re probably doing this as much now as they were then, probably a lot more.


Martin: Let’s go back to, for instance, one of the cases, I think, the media was probably crazy, at the time, was the whole situation with Roswell. Seem like I talk about Roswell a lot. They come out with theirs – they capture a flying disc, and then the cover–up, but that was – I’m just wondering, at the time, why everybody just accepted it so quickly, back then, that it was a weather balloon.


Terry: Right, well, I think a lot of that had to do with the attitude that people had coming out of World War 2. Americans were subjected to a very sophisticated propaganda campaign throughout World War 2 in order to keep people on the – sort of, in a pro–war state of mind, and part of that was to try to impress upon people that they should always trust what the government says. The government are – The US Government are the good guys, and they don’t lie, or anything like that, so whatever they tell you you should believe, and, I think, a lot of people actually embraced that attitude at the end of the war, and on into the 1950s, that The US Government was credible, and they wouldn’t lie to the public, but, of course, these days we’re a good deal more sophisticated about that. We know that the government has lied to us about many things over the past few decades, The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident in World War, or in Vietnam, and on and on, so there’s a long history of this kind of deception, so people are much more skeptical, today, but, back in the 1940s, when the Roswell event occurred, I think, people were much more willing to just accept whatever the government said.


Martin: Now, I mentioned, earlier, radio and television, but, now, we’re into the computer age, and the internet. There’s online news. There’s The Huffington Post that often writes about UFOs, and what has changed since the internet’s come along as far as what you see in the propaganda?


Terry: Well, I think the internet has, certainly, provided a brand new array of media channels, and, in that sense, has made it much more difficult for the government to control information, so we have these alternative broadcasts, such as yours, and you mentioned The Huffington Post, and various other blogs and websites that do provide fairly good quality information, sometimes, not always good quality byte, for sure, but, at least, the information is out there. You can do research, you can check facts, yourself, and you have a greater variety of channels. Now, the whole idea of censorship and propaganda is that, first, you have to control what people know and what they believe, and, once you have done that, you can tell them, pretty much, anything and they’ll accept it because they don’t have any alternative points of view, so, I think, the UFO propaganda was fairly successful up until, maybe, a decade or so ago, and that has, sort of, begun to break down, a lot, because of the variety of new media channels: cable, internet, and so on, so I think it’s made it more difficult for the government to do this kind of thing.


Martin: And you – do you, basically, think it is the government, still, behind the propaganda?


Terry: Oh, yeah. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. I mean, The CIA has a huge budget, and a lot of their budget is devoted to propaganda, and, historically, The CIA was involved in the UFO cover–up, you know, from the very beginning, really. The Robertson Panel – I think most people know about The Robertson Panel. That was a panel that met in 1953, and, basically, said that the government should take measures to try to debunk, or remove, UFO coverage from the media as much as possible through the use of ridicule, and there’s a lot of evidence that that, indeed, was carried out. One of the more spectacular examples I cite, in my book, was that there was a memo discovered, in the archives of The Smithsonian, in which a member of The Robertson Panel, Thornton Page, Dr. Thornton Page, basically, confessed that he had been involved in a CBS television documentary, back in the 1960s, 1966, narrated by Walter Cronkite, and they were, basically, trying to get CBS to debunk UFOs and flying saucers using methods that The CIA had outlined, back in 1953, so it shows that, you know, some 13 years after The Robertson Panel met they were still doing this kind of thing, and I strongly suspect that not much has really changed.


Martin: Wow! Wow, that’s amazing! Can you give some other examples of things that you found that were just, you know, really solid? Like, more or less, let’s call it evidence that this is happening.


Terry: Well, yeah. There’s quite a few pretty good examples of this. I mentioned CBS. CBS was very anti–UFO, as was The New York Times. The New York Times was – they had a science writer named Walter Sullivan, who was – made a great effort to ridicule and downplay flying saucer reports even though The New York Times surely knew that they were being sighted by airline pilots, and other reliable people, but they never brought that out, at all, in The New York Times, itself, so there was an effort, I think, probably through pressure, or through, just, kind of, the old boy network, to get the major networks to downplay the topic: UFOs, and, meanwhile, they began to play it up in the disreputable media, such as The National Enquirer. If you look at The National Enquirer, historically, they have a very interesting history. They – The National Enquirer was started by someone named Gene Pope Jr., who has, since, passed away, but Gene Pope worked for The Central Intelligence Agency prior to starting The National Enquirer, and he worked in the Psychological Warfare Department of The CIA, which is, really, propaganda, and he came out of The CIA with a lot of money in his pocket, and he bought a newspaper, which he, later, turned into The National Enquirer. Now, I think most people are aware that The Enquirer was, probably, the only national newspaper to consistently cover the UFO topic for quite a long time, and they generally did it in – by mixing it in with a lot of questionable material about celebrities, and people like that, so the general impression that you got, from reading the tabloids and looking at the tabloids, was that, you know, UFOs were, kind of, a trashy, disreputable subject, and that, of course, is exactly what The Robertson Panel said it wanted to do, so I think there’s a pretty good trail of evidence, there, that The National Enquirer was covering the UFO topic because of Gene Pope’s affiliation with The Central Intelligence Agency.


Martin: Well, you know, I can recall going through shopping, you know, with my shopping cart, and seeing The National Enquirer with, you know, like, Elvis’s alien baby, and, you know, I mean, all these bizarre things of – and, to think that was, possibly, all propaganda for disinformation, is fascinating that they’d go to that length.


Terry: Yeah, it is, and it’s not the first time The CIA used this method, because, according to an article I read about John Kenneth Galbraith, who was a fairly major economist, and he had been appointed Ambassador To India under JFK, John F. Kennedy, and, when he was in India he came across a tabloid newspaper that was very much like The National Enquirer, only, I think, it had a political slant, and he did a little digging, and found out that the people behind the publication were – was The Central Intelligence Agency, so this was a technique that The CIA used, in various parts of the world, to discredit certain political movements, probably left–wing political movements, generally, and I think that they used this trick on the UFO topic, as well, to make the subject look silly, basically, so that people would be reluctant to talk about it and discuss it, openly.


Martin: Are there certain networks that are more apt to show UFOs than others?


Terry: Well, I think they still tend to shy away from the subject as a serious news topic, although they will treat it in an entertainment context. I think that’s what – you know, the general statement I could make about that. They do realize that people are very interested in the UFO topic. You know, according to a recent poll, or a poll a few years ago, something like 85% of the American public think The US Government is covering up knowledge of extraterrestrials, so it’s an astonishing majority that is quite certain these things exist, and the government is covering them up, so they can’t, really, get around that fact, and I think they use that as – to make money in an entertainment context, but they very, very rarely treat the subject in a serious news fashion. There are some exceptions on cable TV. The History Channel has done a number of reasonably good UFO documentaries, and a few other channels have done that, as well, and I think, again, it comes down to the fact that there are more channels, now, for the propagandists to try to keep under control, and, so, it’s a little more difficult than it was back in the 50s.


Martin: Larry King was an exception, I would say.


Terry: Yes, Larry King was. There have always been 1 or 2 programs – course we’re all familiar with Coast To Coast, now, which is – they consistently cover the topic, and do a pretty good job of it. There was a guy named Frank Edwards, back in the 60s, who was a radio announcer, and he did a program similar to the one started by Art Bell, years ago, so there have always been 1 or 2 outlets that have, kind of, run against the tide, so to speak, and covered the subject, but, generally speaking, if you look at The New York Times, or The Wall Street Journal, or publications like that, they, generally, don’t take it seriously, and they don’t hide the fact that they have utter contempt for the entire subject, and they go out of their way to ridicule it, mostly.


Martin: Now, when you were doing your research for your book, and up until present day, was there ever a time that someone let you know that you were, kind of, stepping on toes?


Terry: Not really, because the book – you know, the way I published the book was I was using the relatively new technology called print on demand, and that was a new paradigm for publishing, at the time, so I published it without going through the usual channels, however, after the book came out, I was visited by someone who I don’t want to give his name, but I know for a fact that he was a CIA contractor, and I had a chat with Linda Moulton Howe about this, some years ago, and I was describing the whole situation, and she said: oh, and he said, “I just happened to be in the neighborhood,” right? And those were exactly the words that this guy told me when he called me up. He said, “I just happened to be in the neighborhood,” so I think The CIA was definitely interested in me after the book came out. There’s no doubt about that.


Martin: Yeah, and, just while you’re talking about your book, you have that, now, in Kindle.


Terry: Yes. It’s out on Kindle, not – it’s an updated version of the original book, and so it’s a separate listing, and it isn’t listed on the print page, but if you do a search under Kindle for The Missing Times it’ll come up.


Martin: Now, when you say updated can you tell us what you updated in the new version?


Terry: Well, there were a few minor mistakes that I made in the original version. I had confused 2 different radio stations in Minneapolis, KSTP and WCCO, and that was, kind of, an embarrassing mistake which I wanted to fix, and I added some additional material. There was an article that came out in The New York Times, fairly recently, regarding the involvement of the wire services with The Central Intelligence Agency back during The Bay Of Pigs period, when The US attacked Cuba, basically, and, basically, it said that The CIA had the ability to put propaganda stories onto the AP and UPI wire services, among others, so I used that as further evidence to buttress my argument that the wire services are, basically, an extension of the intelligence agencies.


Martin: How can us, as Americans, protect ourselves from this? What can we do to stop the propaganda, to get the true stories out there? Any ideas on that?


Terry: Well, okay. First of all you have to realize that the corporate media are controlled by about 6 different companies, and so there’s a relatively small number of individuals and organizations that have control over most of the corporate news and information, so you can pretty much plan on the fact that you’re getting propaganda through those organizations, most of the time, so, once you realize that, you have to realize that there – the alternative news organizations are much more likely to give you a straight explanation, and, especially off in the foreign news organizations, although not always because many foreign organizations are also influenced by The CIA, as well, so you always have to be a little skeptical about news and information, generally, but I would look toward, you know, the smaller news organizations, the independent journalists, and people like that. I think, more and more, there’s a movement toward independent news and independent journalism, generally, and I think that’s probably the future for people who want to get reliable information.


Martin: Where do you get your news? Where do you suggest the listener to, as far as the topics of UFOs, where’s a good place to look?


Terry: Well, you know, I get a lot of it through people I know. Quite often they’ll send me email bringing me – bringing to my attention certain significant developments, so I, kind of, have my own network of sources, but I read all sorts of things. You know, I’ll do Google searches using the term UFO, and I look at, pretty much, everything. I get a lot of – look at a lot of different websites, a lot of – you know, I listen to broadcasts. I listen to Coast To Coast. I’ve been on Coast To Coast, so there’s a lot of different media, out there. I’m, kind of, a media grazer, I guess you could say. I, just, read everything. I don’t, necessarily, believe it, but I read a lot.


Martin: Yeah. Well, that’s a good point. You don’t, necessarily, have to believe everything, that’s for sure. Can you cite some of the cases that just come to mind, right off the bat, where you know that there was actually a cover–up?


Terry: Okay. Well, I certainly think in the Roswell case there was, definitely, a cover–up. I mean, all the earmarks are there. There was a wire service reporter named Lidia Sleppy who started transmitting some of the Roswell information, at the time, and, I believe, The FBI came on the line, or called her up by telephone, and said: do not transmit –


Martin: Oh, yes. Right.


Terry: – stuff like that, so there, clearly, was some effort to suppress that story, at the time. During the – you probably recall The Condon Commission, which was a University Of Colorado investigation into UFOs in the 1960s.


Martin: Oh, yeah.


Terry: At the time, when that was all going on, it was quite a controversial event, and there was a reporter for, I think, it was The Boulder Daily Camera. His name was Roger – R. Roger Harkins, and he suspected that The CIA was, kind of, you know, stage managing a lot of the media coverage about this, and so, one day, the wire service – one of the wire services, I think it was The AP, called him up and requested a story about The Condon Commission, and he thought: well, this is a great chance to do a little test, here, to see whether The CIA is filtering these stories, and so he did an interview with one of the Lorenzans, and he, basically, implicated The CIA. He gave Harkins a multi–point rationale for why The CIA would have to be interested in the UFO topic, so he wrote up this story and filed it with The AP under the theory that if The CIA – a CIA operative at The CIA, or at The AP branch, realized the significance of this that they would squelch the story, and it wouldn’t be filed on the wire, and, sure enough, that’s what happened. He –


Martin: Wow!


Terry: – he filed the story even though they had requested it, specifically, and they killed the story, evidently, ’cause it never went out on the wire, and, you know, a lot of times if you – the case that I look at in considerable detail in my book is – has to do with the UFO overflights around Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana, which was a fairly big regional story back in the mid–60s, and, again, in the mid–70s, and there was a lot of local press coverage about this, at the time. It was very well known, but, mysteriously, the stories just never seemed to get out of the Montana area. They just seemed to stop at that point, and they weren’t picked up by the national news organizations, and this is something that happens over and over and over again whenever there’s a major flap of UFO activity, such as in Mexico some years back. There’s a lot of regional coverage, but no US national coverage, so it’s really hard to account for that unless you assume that somebody is, kind of, filtering the stories that get through.


Martin: Wow! Is there a case you can think of where things just, kind of, ran wild, and they couldn’t stop it?


Terry: Well, let me think about that. I think, maybe, the more recent – a recent example would be The Phoenix Lights story. That was interesting in that it occurred some years before the story actually broke in the national media, which is kind of interesting. I mean, you often see that. It takes a year or two before the story reaches the big city newspapers, which is pretty strange, but, of course, it was a big story in Phoenix, at the time, and, eventually, the story did come out, and, although it was denied, initially, by the governor of Arizona, he, eventually, recanted his testimony and said, yeah, he saw it, too, so, in a way, they tried – I think there was an effort to try to keep that one under wraps, but, ultimately, it came out, and even the relatively high–ranking politicians admitted that the thing had occurred, so –


Martin: Right, right, and, almost, a similar situation is Rendlesham Forest, really.


Terry: Yes, sure. Yeah, you’ll see this a lot. You know, there was a statement, supposedly, made by Napoleon Bonaparte, in France many years ago. He said that it’s not always necessary to censor a story if you can just delay its arrival to the point where it’s no longer considered news, so that’s something that you often see with major UFO events. There’s a lot of regional coverage, a lot of noise about it in a very small geographical area, but the wire services don’t seem to pick up the story, and they don’t make it into the major newspapers and magazines until, often, many years later, and, by that time, it’s just not considered news, anymore.


Martin: I agree with you. I think we have a very ephemeral society. We get over things really quickly, you know, like what seems like a big news story – we’re on to something else, right away, and it’s just – it’s not the way – things have definitely changed as far as all that goes. Are there any books that have come out that are similar to yours, or touch on the same subject as yours does?


Terry: Yeah. Well, I’d certainly like to mention Robert Hastings’s book UFOs And Nukes, because he has fleshed out the picture that I started examining in my book regarding the UFO overflights of Montana. He’s come up with many, many more sources from the military that make it clear that this was a major, major event that was going on, and, of course, it never made it into the national media, at the time. There’s another book that, I think, sheds a lot of light on this, and it’s called Strange Company by Keith Chester, and the subtitle is Military Encounters With UFOs In World War 2, and Keith makes it very clear, from his research, that the UFO phenomenon did not start in 1947. It was going on throughout the war years, and there was a lot more happening than people were told about, at the time, and the reason is – the reason people didn’t know about it is that we were at war, and, under The War Powers Act, the media were completely controlled by The Pentagon, and so the only news that got – made it into newspapers was news that The Pentagon wanted people to know about, and they certainly didn’t want the public to know about all these strange things that were happening in the skies over Europe and Asia, so Keith brings it – shines a good light on that aspect of the history of the UFO topic, and makes it clear that, you know, military censorship did keep it under wraps until fairly recently.


Martin: Yes. A lot of times you hear people say: oh, this has only been happening 60 years. How come? And, you know, if you really, really look into it there were some types of sightings going all the way back. You can find records.


Terry: Oh, yeah. That’s right. There’s no doubt about that. I think, in Strange Company, Keith Chester talks about H. P. Robertson’s role. We talked, earlier, about The Robertson Panel, but Robertson was a very important figure in all this, although not many people know much about him, but, during The World War 2 era, he was the principal scientific intelligence liaison between the US and British governments, and so he was, kind of, the guy who had his finger on the pulse regarding these UFO sightings, and, probably, I suspect Robertson was interested in this topic even before World War 2. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had read the books by Charles Port that appeared in the early 20th century, and that talked about all these weird sightings, so he probably had a good historical perspective, on this, and, then, he was – you know, took an interest in it during the war years, and then on into the early 50s –


Martin: Wow!


Terry: – so –


Martin: Interesting. This has been a lot of fun, Terry. Thank you, so much, for filling us all in on this very interesting topic.


Terry: Okay. Well, I’m glad to be on the program.


Martin: The Missing Times is the book, News Media Complicity In The UFO Cover–up, so this is Martin Willis with Terry Hansen, and that’s it, for today.


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