My Conversation with Lue Elizondo (Hint: It was not easy)

by Martin Willis

Glowing Auras and Black Money Curse?

What is one to think when everything goes wrong with a most important interview?

Martin & Lue, Cherry Hill New Jersy, 2018

Lue, as he likes to be called, is a non-condescending, intelligent, easy going kind of guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him at the MUFON convention in Cherry Hill last summer. We ran into each other in the hallway at the hotel and started chatting. As we got into a nice talk, he asked me about my background (in fine art & antiques) and that led to so many great discussions about collecting all kinds of things. After about 30 minutes into our discussion, Jan Harzan came looking for him, and he had to go. I realized afterwards that UFOs had never come up at all, which I found humorous. That was last July and the last I had spoken to him.

Starting last early December, I began working with a publicist for the HISTORY Channel, Kirby Dixon and it has been a great experience. I felt lucky that I was granted conversations with Project Blue Book’s creator, David O’Leary, and the two Hynek sons, Paul and Joel.

Kirby connected me more recently with Anthony Lappe’, the Executive Producer from the new series, Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation, which features Luis Elizondo and that was another wonderful conversation. She then contacted me a few days ago, asking if I wanted to interview Lue Elizondo, I told her without hesitation that I was in! I changed my schedule to make sure I would be home, had show  graphics created, and put some questions together for my interview. She told me to wait until she got the 100% go on it, and confirmed it on Thursday. I knew my good friend Alejandro Rojas was interviewing Lue on Friday as well, so I compared my questions with Alejandro’s. By his request we wanted to make sure that there would be no or little redundancy. Alejandro and I wished each other good luck and did a virtual high-five.

I happily posted my YouTube live stream upcoming interview with Lue in my email newsletter, and all over the place. It was getting some real traction on social media, I was emailed potential questions from listeners everywhere. Needles to say, I got quite excited about the whole event.

Then, the unimaginable happens

While I was driving to a restaurant, a dreaded email popped up on my iPhone from Kirby: “Martin — I am so sorry, but it has just been brought to my attention from TTSA that Lue’s schedule has drastically changed and he is, unfortunately, no longer available for this interview tomorrow. As a result, we will need to cancel this interview and possibly reschedule. Should his schedule change in the coming weeks, I will certainly let you know as relayed to me by the TTSA team.” Read more

353. Tribute to Stanton Friedman, Gordon Lore & Barry Greenwood

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UFOs & Truth That is Out There

by Charles Lear

“Truth.”  That’s a word that has been deeply associated with ufology thanks to “The X-Files” and apparently the “truth” is what U.F.O. researchers are looking for.  But what truth is it?  Is it the whole truth as in a unifying explanation for all strange phenomena or just proof of alien visitation?  Do we want it from the “Government” or do we want to find it on our own through research and maybe, actually experiencing something ourselves?

Many researchers believe that the U.S. Military is in possession of alien craft and bodies.  Some also believe that, sometime in the past, certain elected representatives or those appointed by elected representatives to be part of our governing body, made a deal with extraterrestrials that allowed them to harvest our reproductive cells, livestock and pet soft tissue and perform experiments in exchange for advanced technology.  All this makes for a good tale but we have yet to see any irrefutable evidence despite over 70 years (!) of searching.

If you are a researcher who has gone down this path, I salute you and I feel your pain.  Research in this area is treacherous and the main nemesis is disinformation.

Richard Doty

Disinformation is real and was brought into the spotlight by a tragic case involving William Moore, a well-known researcher, Richard Doty, a self-professed disinformation agent with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations and a man named Paul Bennewitz, an investigator with the Arial Phenomena Research Organization.  William Moore is credited with bringing the Roswell case back into the public’s awareness with, “The Roswell Incident”, a book published in 1980 co-authored with Charles Berlitz.  Famed ufologist, Stanton Friedman, actually did the bulk of the research and witness interviews but the publishing company, feeling Berlitz’s name would sell more books, insisted he write the final draft from Moore and Friedman’s notes.  Friedman would get caught up in another tangle of intrigue but we’ll come to that later.  It was because of this book that Doty contacted Moore and promised him information about UFOs that he claimed the government wanted dispersed to the public.  In exchange, Moore was to observe and report on certain fellow ufologists. Read more

300. Free Show: Jane Kyle, Texas UFOs

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298. Free Show: Jordan Bonaparte & Ellie Maloney

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296. Free Show: Robert Schroeder

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295. Free Show: Dean Alioto

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294. Free Show: Greg Bishop

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Alejandro Rojas with UFO Updates, guest Greg Bishop 

Bio: In 1991, Greg Bishop co-founded a magazine called The Excluded Middle, which was a journal of UFOs, conspiracy research, psychedelia and new science. Wake Up Down There!, a collection of articles from the magazine, was published in 2000 by Adventures Unlimited Press.
Greg’s second book was Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth which documented a government campaign of disinformation perpetrated against an unsuspecting U.S. citizen. Weird California, a portrait of strange and eerie history and places in the Golden State, was released in 2006. UFO Mystic with Greg Bishop and Nick RedfernFrom December 2007 to November 2011, Greg blogged for the UFO and paranormal site Ufomystic. His current book It Defies Language, is composed for the most part of entries from that blog along with older material and brand new articles written just for the collection.
From 1998 to 2000, Greg hosted The Hungry Ghost, a radio show of interviews and music airing on pirate FM station KBLT in Los Angeles. Radio Misterioso has been broadcasting almost continuously since then, for many years on the internet station Killradio before moving to an independent format in mid-2016. He is licensed by the FAA to fly aerial photography drones for commercial clients, and is also a certified paraglider and ultralight pilot as well as holding a private pilot’s license. Source:

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