Simulcast on YouTube|Facebook | TWITTER – Sunday, April 06, 2025 @ 7:00 PM EDT (-4GMT)
In this live from California Podcast UFO exclusive, host Martin Willis sits down for a high-stakes, no-holds-barred conversation with UFO whistleblower Jason Sands and documentary filmmaker Darcy Weir. This interview marks the first time both men have appeared together since their public disagreement over Sands’ controversial claims.
Jason Sands, a new voice in the UFO disclosure movement, recently shocked the community by revealing alleged involvement in a somewhat similar Secret “20 and Back” Space Program — a claim that has reignited fierce debate, especially in the aftermath of Corey Goode’s legal admission that his similar story was fabricated.
Darcy Weir, known for his investigative documentaries on UFO phenomena, has publicly questioned the authenticity of Sands’ claims, citing the need for evidence and discernment. In this episode, Martin gives both guests a fair platform to express their views, challenge each other, and respond to the growing questions from the public and within the UFO community.
🔍 What really happened to Jason Sands?
🎥 Why does Darcy Weir believe the story doesn’t add up?
🛸 Is the “20 and Back” narrative part of a broader disinformation campaign, or a truth we’re not ready to face?
This is more than an interview — it’s a clash of perspectives that could shape the next chapter of UFO disclosure.
JASON SANDS, a Retired Master Sergeant of the U.S. Air Force turned “UFO whistleblower.” For over two decades, Sands served his country, rising through the ranks to work on some of the most secretive projects imaginable—until his career took him deep into the shadows of the Nevada Test Site. There, within the confines of a Black Special Access Program, he claims to have encountered the unthinkable: non-human craft and biologics, evidence of intelligence beyond our world.
DARCY WEIR, is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways.