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What if UFOs are real, but the extraterrestrial explanation is wrong? Longtime UFO researcher Norio Hayakawa joins Martin Willis on Podcast UFO to explore that question through his decades of interest in Area 51, Dulce, New Mexico, and the broader UFO mystery. Hayakawa began studying the subject in 1961 and questions the evidence behind claims of alien spacecraft and underground alien bases. Background and research interests Our planned discussion explores why he favors a “paraphysical” interpretation, meaning an intelligence that he believes can temporarily appear within our physical world. We will also examine how his Christian beliefs inform his thinking about the phenomenon, deception, and alleged encounters. These are Hayakawa’s personal interpretations, open to discussion and questioning. Hayakawa’s explanation of his views Where does the evidence lead, where does belief enter the picture, and what would it take to change his mind?
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Explore Norio’s writing: Norio Hayakawa’s website: https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com
BIO: Norio Hayakawa is an Albuquerque, New Mexico, UFO researcher who began studying the subject in 1961. His longtime interests include Area 51 and Dulce. His writing combines skepticism toward alien visitation claims with a personal belief that the phenomenon may have a paraphysical or spiritual origin.
