736. Mike Fiorito, Music is the Language of the Cosmos

Martin Willis, joined by UFO Jack, speaks with author Mike Fiorito about the intriguing relationship between music, consciousness, and the unknown. The conversation explores the idea that sound and music may function as a tuning mechanism for the mind, shaping perception and opening pathways to deeper states of awareness. Drawing on examples from experimental and electronic music, the discussion looks at how sound can communicate beyond language and influence human consciousness in unexpected ways. The interview also touches on visionary figures such as Sun Ra and his concept of tone science, linking music with cosmic exploration, as well as the connection between sound, imaginal experiences, and anomalous phenomena. Together they consider whether music might serve as a bridge between inner consciousness and the wider mysteries of the universe.

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SHOW 736 NOTES: Mike Fiorito

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Tuesday, March 03, 2025 @ 8:00 PM EST (-5GMT)

🔮 Martin Willis joined by UFO Jack talks with author Mike Fiorito about his groundbreaking new book The Innerspace of Outerspace: Exploring Other Worlds Through Music, a journey into the intersection of music, consciousness, mystery, and the unknown.

📘 About the Book:
In this reflective and imaginative work, Mike Fiorito explores how music acts as a portal to deeper understanding — not just as art, but as a medium that shapes perception, consciousness, and our sense of reality. The book weaves together ideas from sonic experimentation, mysticism, cultural history, and the UFO phenomenon, suggesting that sound may play a role in opening the mind to mystery.

🎶 Key Themes Covered in This Interview:
• How music functions as a “tuning mechanism” for the mind and consciousness.
• The role of experimental and electronic music in communicating beyond language.
• Insights into iconic thinkers like Sun Ra and how his concept of “tone science” connects to cosmic exploration.
• The connection between sound, imaginal experiences, and anomalous phenomena.
• Why music might open doors to inner worlds just as compelling as outer space itself.

📅 Publication Info:
The Innerspace of Outerspace: Exploring Other Worlds Through Music is available for pre-order now and will publish on April 11, 2026.

🛸 Whether you’re into music theory, consciousness studies, the UFO phenomenon, or creative cosmology, this conversation pushes the boundaries of how we think about sound — and the mysteries it can reveal.

BIO: Mike Fiorito is a freelance journalist and author. His books include UFO Symphonic-Journeys into Sound, For All We Know, Mescalito Riding His White Horse, Falling from Trees and Hallucinating Huxley. UFO Symphonic-Journeys
into Sound was named a Finalist in the Miscellaneous category for the 2025 National Indie Excellence Awards. Mescalito Riding His White Horse received the 2024 Independent Press Distinguished Favorite Award in Spirituality. Falling from Trees received the 2022 Independent Press Distinguished Favorite Award in Short Stories.

A Welsh Triangle Window Area?

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

In 1977, there was a flap in the area of St. Brides Bay in Pembrokeshire, Wales, that involved reported sightings of craft and humanoids. The most well-known incident involved 14 Broad Haven Primary School students running inside to tell their headmaster that they had seen a yellow cigar-shaped craft land in a field. On February 17, three staff members reported they saw the same craft. The story made national news thanks to British UFO Research Association investigator and UFO Investigators Network correspondent Randall Jones Pugh, and a flap began that would result in the area being referred to as “The Welsh Triangle.” A lesser-known case involved an entire family that reported a series of strange events which Pugh covered in articles published in issues of Flying Saucer Review and the BUFORA Journal.

In April, while driving, Pauline Coombes and three (out of four) of her children were reportedly chased by a football shaped UFO. Later that year, in October, Coombes, her four children, and her mother reportedly witnessed a craft and humanoids that behaved in an especially bizarre manner. It came out that all sorts of strange happenings were said to have been occurring on the family homestead called Ripperston Farm. Journalist Clive Harold got close to the family and wrote a book about their experiences titled, “The Uninvited.” Read more

Show 735 Notes: Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Tuesday, February 24, 2025 @ 11:00 AM EST (-5GMT)

Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman, creators of NBC’s Dark Skies, join Podcast UFO to discuss the strange real-life event that sparked their new investigative podcast, Sound, Light & Frequency. They share how their personal interest in UFOs began (including Bryce’s childhood discovery of the McMinnville “Trent Farm” photos, and Brent’s startling “aliens are real” disclosure from a Reagan-era family friend), plus Brent’s more recent UFO-style sighting during the Perseid meteor shower on Vancouver Island, tiny star-like lights moving erratically and seeming to drop into the ocean. The conversation turns to why witnesses stay silent, including stories Bryce heard from strangers after Dark Skies aired, schoolyard sightings with dozens of witnesses that never made the news, followed by families insisting: “don’t ever talk about it.” From there, Bryce and Brent explain the premise of Sound, Light & Frequency: an active investigation into whether Hollywood has been part of a long “chicken-and-egg” feedback loop with UFO culture, did filmmakers invent ideas that later entered ufology, or were real narratives quietly fed into film and TV? They preview their central claim: a mysterious “Man in Black”-type figure crashed their Dark Skies premiere party in the 1990s, claimed ties to the Office of Naval Intelligence, and allegedly offered a “deal” connected to a slow-drip disclosure program, truth inserted into fiction. They won’t fully reveal the details here (they insist listeners start with Episode 1), but they confirm follow-up meetings occurred and that the encounter never stopped haunting them. They also reveal how Dark Skies was sold with an elaborate “top secret” style series bible mapping a multi-season timeline, then the eerie twist: the exact “cover of fiction to tell truth” concept they pitched to networks later appeared to boomerang back on them in real life. The episode closes with their plan to examine iconic UFO films and series (Close Encounters, Contact, The Abyss, The X-Files, V, and more), vet tips from insiders, and look for patterns, without claiming they already have the answers.

Sound, Light & Frequency is produced by Stellar Productions in association with iHeartPodcasts. https://soundlightfrequency.com Stellar Productions: https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@BryceZabel⁊  | BIO: Bryce Zabel | BIO: Brent Friedman

Sound, Light & Frequency Podcast, Ep 1. “Party Crasher” 

UPCOMING: Bryce Zabel & Brent Friedman

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Tuesday, February 24, 2025 @ 11:00 AM EST (-5GMT)

Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman, creators of NBC’s Dark Skies, join Podcast UFO to discuss the strange real-life event that sparked their new investigative podcast, Sound, Light & Frequency. They share how their personal interest in UFOs began (including Bryce’s childhood discovery of the McMinnville “Trent Farm” photos, and Brent’s startling “aliens are real” disclosure from a Reagan-era family friend), plus Brent’s more recent UFO-style sighting during the Perseid meteor shower on Vancouver Island, tiny star-like lights moving erratically and seeming to drop into the ocean. The conversation turns to why witnesses stay silent, including stories Bryce heard from strangers after Dark Skies aired, schoolyard sightings with dozens of witnesses that never made the news, followed by families insisting: “don’t ever talk about it.” From there, Bryce and Brent explain the premise of Sound, Light & Frequency: an active investigation into whether Hollywood has been part of a long “chicken-and-egg” feedback loop with UFO culture, did filmmakers invent ideas that later entered ufology, or were real narratives quietly fed into film and TV? They preview their central claim: a mysterious “Man in Black”-type figure crashed their Dark Skies premiere party in the 1990s, claimed ties to the Office of Naval Intelligence, and allegedly offered a “deal” connected to a slow-drip disclosure program, truth inserted into fiction. They won’t fully reveal the details here (they insist listeners start with Episode 1), but they confirm follow-up meetings occurred and that the encounter never stopped haunting them. They also reveal how Dark Skies was sold with an elaborate “top secret” style series bible mapping a multi-season timeline, then the eerie twist: the exact “cover of fiction to tell truth” concept they pitched to networks later appeared to boomerang back on them in real life. The episode closes with their plan to examine iconic UFO films and series (Close Encounters, Contact, The Abyss, The X-Files, V, and more), vet tips from insiders, and look for patterns, without claiming they already have the answers.

Sound, Light & Frequency is produced by Stellar Productions in association with iHeartPodcasts. https://soundlightfrequency.com Stellar Productions: https://www.youtube.com/ ⁨@BryceZabel⁊  | BIO: Bryce Zabel | BIO: Brent Friedman

Sound, Light & Frequency Podcast, Ep 1. “Party Crasher” 

Blog: Mr. X.

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

In 1980, The Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore was published. In the book, on page 103 of the first printing, there is a bad photocopy of a photo showing two soldiers escorting a small creature. One of the soldiers is carrying a suitcase-shaped object that seems to be a respiration device, as there is a hose going from it to the creature’s mouth. The photo is said to have “reportedly first surfaced in Wiesbaden, Germany.” In 1981, Wiesbaden resident Klaus Webner took it upon himself to investigate. He wrote an article presenting his findings that was published in the September 1981 issue of The Probe Report, put out by the Britain-based Probe UFO Research Organization.

In the book, the photocopy is presented with the caption “Alien from Another World or Elaborate Hoax?” The reader is told that it, along with the “artist’s interpretation” on the preceding page, is being published “without comment about whether it may or may not pertain to certain significant aspects of the Roswell Incident.” According to the authors, “an unnamed informant” gave the original photo, which he said he bought for a dollar, to FBI agent John Quinn at the New Orleans field office. They say the photo “purports to show an alien survivor of a UFO crash in the custody of two U.S. military policeman.” Lastly, they say that it got “limited publicity in West Germany in the 1940s” and was met “with skepticism by U.S. officials of the then-existent Allied Military Government.” Read more

Video: Martin & UFO Jack

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Thursday, February 19, 2025 @ 8:00 PM EST (-5GMT)

This happened during our show!

Did Barack Obama slip — and then walk it back? In a recent interview with political commentator Brian Tyler Cohen, Obama was asked point-blank: Are aliens real? His response: “They’re real… but I haven’t seen them.” He followed with laughter, referencing conspiracy theories about extraterrestrials being hidden at Area 51, suggesting such a secret would be impossible to conceal — even from a president. Later, he clarified that he framed part of his answer humorously. But was that clarification damage control? Tonight, Martin and UFO Jack go deeper. We revisit Obama’s earlier appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, where he was pressed on the same topic — and we review the exceptional breakdown by investigator Ben Hansen, who analyzed Obama’s phrasing, timing, increased respiration, and body language frame by frame. Are we witnessing: Political humor? Strategic ambiguity? Or a carefully managed narrative? Two interviews. Two different contexts. One unanswered question. We’ll compare tone, wording, micro-expressions, and consistency — and let you decide whether this was just a joke… or something more. 

Show 733 Notes: George Simpson

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Tuesday, February 17, 2025 @ 8:00 PM EST (-5GMT)

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BIO: George Simpson is an Australian UFO researcher with more than three decades of experience in organized investigation and public outreach. He began in the late 1980s with the Victorian UFO Research Society (VUFORS), later serving on its committee through the early 2000s.

In 2000, he became Victorian Director of the Australian UFO Research Network (AUFORN), organizing quarterly public meetings and hosting international figures such as disclosure advocate Steve Bassett.

Simpson is the author of Nothing on Radar – The Valentich Mystery, an in-depth study of the 1978 disappearance of pilot Frederick Valentich over Bass Strait. Drawing on radio transcripts, radar data, and witness testimony, the book examines one of Australia’s most enduring aviation and UFO cases.

Throughout his career, Simpson has emphasized careful case documentation, historical research, and fostering informed public discussion of unexplained aerial phenomena in Australia.

 

Laurie Ryder tape as interviewed by Bill Chalker , early 1990s

3 – Laurie reversed on farmer ID 20 sec”. Genre: Blues

4 – Laurie reversed on SA neighbour

5 – Laurie Reversed commercial Pilot

Rat-Faced Creatures From a UFO

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

As anyone who has looked into the subject of UFO-related humanoids knows, reported creatures come in all shapes and sizes. Some are more unusual than others, and a pair of creatures said to be seen in Italy in 1978 definitely stand out.

In the Vol. 28, No. 6, issue (page 15 of the pdf) of Flying Saucer Review, there is an article by Antonio Chiumiento headlined “An Encounter with ‘Rat-Faces’ in Italy.” The article was translated from Italian and Chiumiento is described as an “Investigator and member of the board of directors of C.U.N. (Italian National UFO Research Centre, Turin.)”

According to Chiumiento, on the morning of November 24, 1978, 61-year-old Gallio resident, Angelo D’Ambros, went to get some firewood in nearby Gastagh. At about a quarter before noon, he turned to put down a branch he had been chopping up when he “was gripped with horror” upon seeing two creatures looking at him that were “extremely close.” Read more

Show 732 Notes: Col [ret.] Fred Claussen

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Thursday, February 10, 2025 @ 11:00 AM EST (-5GMT)

BIO: Colonel Fredrick “Fred” Claussen was born in 1942 in Burwell, Nebraska, the only son of a baker and a telephone operator. His interest in space and UFOs began at a young age, and by eleven he had built a two-person “spaceship,” even attempting a launch—an early sign of a lifelong fascination with flight and aerospace. As a teenager, he set his sights on becoming a fighter pilot. After moving to Lincoln, Nebraska, Claussen graduated from Lincoln Northeast High School and attended the University of Nebraska, where he participated in Air Force ROTC and the marching band. He joined the U.S. Air Force in 1963 and began his flying career as a B-52 navigator from 1965 to 1968. He later attended pilot training, graduating first in his class, before transitioning to the F-105. Between 1969 and 1970, Claussen flew 126 combat missions in Southeast Asia and was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross twice. From 1970 to 1983, he served in multiple fighter assignments, flying the F-105, F-4, and F-15. He went on to hold senior leadership roles, including Director of Exercises in South Korea, Director of Exercises at Headquarters Tactical Air Command, Tactical Air Control Wing Commander, Chief of Staff of the 7th Air Force in South Korea, and Director of Combat Analysis at U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida. He retired in 1992 with the rank of colonel. In 1980, while flying an F-15, Colonel Claussen intercepted a UFO—an encounter that remains central to his public testimony and perspective on UAP. He holds a bachelor’s degree in Business and Management from Kansas Newman College and a master’s degree in Aviation Technology from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. In retirement, Claussen pursues astronomy, remains active with family, and has assisted filmmaker James Fox with UAP research. He is married to his wife, Sunny, and has four children and three grandchildren

Francis Lee Ridge Remembered

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

On January 20, 2026, Francis Lee Ridge passed away. His contributions to UFO investigation and research spanned six decades, and thanks to his efforts, a treasure trove of historical UFO-related material is available to anyone with an internet connection.

According to Ridge’s bio at nicap.org, he was born on October 13, 1942. In 1960, he became an active investigator as head of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena Indiana Subcommittee and remained in that position until 1970.

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SHOW 731 NOTES: Dr. Robert McGwier

Simulcast on YouTube, Facebook & Twitter | Thursday, February 03, 2025 @ 11:00 AM EST (-5GMT)

In this episode of Podcast UFO, we are joined by Dr. Robert McGwier, widely known as “Science Bob,” for a deep, technical discussion on UAP and USO detection through automated sensor data gathering. Dr. McGwier brings decades of experience in applied mathematics, signal processing, and national-security–level data analysis. This conversation moves beyond speculation and focuses squarely on how real-world sensor systems—such as radar, sonar, electro-optical/infrared platforms, acoustic sensors, and passive detection arrays—are used to identify, correlate, and evaluate anomalous objects operating in air and undersea environments. We explore how modern sensor fusion works, what automated detection pipelines can (and cannot) reliably tell us, how false positives arise, and what standards must be applied before data can be considered credible. The discussion also addresses the challenges of classification, data access, and the limitations inherent in current monitoring systems. This episode is essential viewing for anyone interested in a serious, data-driven approach to UAP and USO research—where engineering, physics, and analytics take precedence over anecdote.

Robert McGwier the director of research of the Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and Technology, and a research professor in its Bradley Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering.

The Hume Center, administered jointly by Virginia Tech’s Institute for Critical Technology and Applied Science and the College of Engineering, heads the university’s educational and research programs in national security, and has taken a leading role in the university’s growth in cyber security.

Since 1986, McGwier has served as a member of the technical staff at the Institute for Defense Analyses’ Center for Communications Research in Princeton, N.J., where he worked on advanced research topics in mathematics and communications supporting the federal government. He received his Ph.D. in applied mathematics from Brown University in 1988.

An expert in radio frequency electronics and signal processing, much of McGwier’s research has looked at leveraging recent advances in software-defined and cognitive radio technology to support the communications needs of the federal government. His work on behalf of the federal government has earned him many awards, including the intelligence community’s highest honor in 2002.

Faeries From a UFO

by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear 

In 1969, Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallée was published. Its central thesis is that there may be a link between folklore, particularly stories of the Fae folk, and UFO lore. In the Vol. 25, No. 6, issue (page 25 of the pdf) of Flying Saucer Review, there is an article by Eileen Morris headlined “The Winged Beings of Bluestone Walk” covering a case that certainly seems to support Vallée’s ideas.

According to Morris, a “necessarily brief” version of the story told by Jean Hingley first appeared in the January 12, 1979, edition of The Dudley Herald. She says she met Hingley and her husband “a number of times” both at their residence and at her own, and describes them as “honest, hard-working people.” She took notes and used them to type up Hingley’s version of events and then had Hingley read it. Hingley was “satisfied that it is accurate.”

According to the account written as if Hingley was telling it in the first person, she lived “in a small council house in Bluestone Walk, Rowley Regis, near Birmingham,” with her husband, Cyril, and their Alsatian, Hobo. On January 4, 1979, it was a cold, dark morning, and there was snow on the ground as she saw her husband off to his job at a cement works (she worked at a company that made soundproofing for cars). She was at the back door of the house that opened out to the road, and as her husband drove off, she noticed a light from the area of the garden. Read more