Simulcast on KGRA Digital Broadcasting, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter & Rumble | Tuesday, December 16, 2025 @ 9:00 PM EST (-5GMT)
Retired law enforcement officers Dave Rich and Marianne Robb join host Martin Willis for a wide-ranging conversation on why first responders can be uniquely strong UAP/UFO witnesses—and why the professional fallout after reporting can be just as traumatic as the encounter itself. They break down how academy/scenario-based training shapes observation under stress, then pivot into major police-involved cases including the multi-agency “Lumberton” triangle flap (four nights of sightings across multiple counties), RCMP officer Jim Blackwood (flashlight interaction), Lonnie Zamora (Socorro), and Val Johnson (1979)—including the physical damage to his patrol car and the long-term consequences for witnesses who speak publicly. The discussion also highlights the mission of UAPD (UAP-PD): providing a confidential, “safe zone” for active and retired first responders to share UAP/paranormal/cryptid experiences without fear of ridicule or career impact. Dave recounts the 2017 incident that led to UAPD’s formation—an unexplained 911 call from an empty school, follow-up investigation steps (video, phone/line checks, audio analysis), and the pressure he faced afterward to stay silent. If you’re a first responder with an experience you’ve kept to yourself, you are not alone—and support exists.
Contact UAPD (UAP-PD): https://uap-pd.com (scroll to the bottom for “Contact Us”) Facebook: UAP-PD: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1342703223078719/ (message the page) Also mentioned: • Martin’s upcoming Year-in-Review livestream (Thursday at 8:00 PM) • PodcastUFO blog updates at podcastufo.com • Giveaways during live participation (shirts/hats)
BIO: Marianne Robb: is a retired police officer with 34 years of experience in Arizona law enforcement. Her career included roles as a patrol officer, a detective specializing in arson, property crimes, and narcotics and as a crime prevention specialist. In 2015 Marianne joined the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON Arizona chapter). She spent 7 years as a field investigator. She spent 5 years as an instructor with MUFON alongside Dave Rich teaching investigators how to apply law enforcement methods, such as evidence collection and advanced interview techniques, to UFO cases. She had taught at MUFON symposiums, and at the annual MUFON boot camp held in Arizona. She is a vocal advocate for collaboration among researchers, government agencies and investigators to uncover the truth about unidentified anomalous phenomena.
BIO: Dave Rich: is a retired police officer with 25 years of service in Arizona law enforcement. During his career, he worked in various roles, including patrol, gang investigation, homicide, sex crimes and narcotics. Dave spent his last 15 years of his career as a high school resource officer. In addition to his law enforcement background, he had been active in UFO investigations as a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network ( MUFON Arizona chapter) Dave was an instructor for MUFON, teaching advanced interview techniques and evidence collection at their boot camps and symposiums. Read more
